kevinvl
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kevin_vl - Cycling Team Jos (276)
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Post by kevinvl on Oct 6, 2011 12:27:36 GMT 1
Hi,
I'm kevin_vl, manager of Cycling Team Jos (276) in division 5.122
One cyclist won all the races in Paris-Nice. The first 2 races I can understand, if he's really good in flat and he has an high CA...
but today he won again??? Today was a total different race, lots of mountain and downhill instead of flat + the cyclist had 60% fitness before the race, 50% afterwards Which means he only had 60%*75%=45% of his abilities...
This seems impossible to me!! I had one cyclist with 3 on mountain riding today for me at 95% with 90% fitness, so had 85.5% of his abilities (almost dubble)
How is this possible?? I can't believe, this has to be a fault in the game!
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Post by Quatannens on Oct 6, 2011 12:48:34 GMT 1
And in the first 2 races you also had some cyclists at 95%? Because if everybody just goes at 70%, he is able to win the first two races even with a lower flat skill (because he used more fitness). And then the final stage he uses his high mountain skill? But it is indeed almost impossible that your rider with 3 mountain loses, because the supercyclist can't have 5 or more mountain. Maybe the downhill made a difference?
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triplef
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Post by triplef on Oct 6, 2011 19:34:37 GMT 1
Strange indeed, but there can be several reasons
Hmm, special equipment maybe? Leadership ? experience? doping? (just kidding there...)
please do not right away say there must be a fault in the game if your rider does not win, especially only after 4 races!!!
Philippe Gilbert anyone?
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Post by Mardandoo on Oct 6, 2011 20:43:48 GMT 1
I was expecting one of my cyclists to win the last stage too with having 3 on mountain. He finished second (and second in the time jersey that way). Asking the winner for his skills I was told he has 2 on mountain and 2 on downhill. Mine had 3 on mountain and 1 on downhill. Than it's completely logic that the other won. Mine won all the sprints for mountain points (and the mountain jersey), but because the stage had more downhill kilometers than mountain kilometers, his cyclist was eventually better. So could your 'unbeatable' cyclist have 3 on flat, 2 on mountain, 2 on down hill and 1 (and one 2 on sprint) on the others and that way win everyting. That's my guess .
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kevinvl
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kevin_vl - Cycling Team Jos (276)
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Post by kevinvl on Oct 7, 2011 8:56:26 GMT 1
Quatannens: i had 3 different cyclists going for the victory in those 3 races and they always ended 2nd. The first 2 losses I can understand if he's really good at flat, but the third loss is strange because of the difference in fitness and effort... Mardandoo: but my opponent's cyclist was already tired and my wasn't. If I had to guess what the bug is (of there is a bug, which I hope ) then i would say that the fitness isn't calculated in the race engine. That could explain why he won 3 times in a row. Most of the time when a cyclist is tired, the manager would only give him 70% effort in the next races, so he will not win and that's maybe why it hasn't noticed before... greetz kevin_vl
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Post by Schizm on Oct 7, 2011 9:44:08 GMT 1
I don't think there is a bug, this Djuric guy probably has got very decent flat, mountain and downhill skills but most of all I expect him to have a very good sprint skill. Since he competed for the mountain jersey this sprint skill "boosted" him at the top 5 times, so he could keep up with your group in the long run. And since the finish is on flat he could use his better flat skill combined with his super sprint to beat you.
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kevinvl
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kevin_vl - Cycling Team Jos (276)
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Post by kevinvl on Oct 7, 2011 11:38:45 GMT 1
I don't think there is a bug, this Djuric guy probably has got very decent flat, mountain and downhill skills but most of all I expect him to have a very good sprint skill. Since he competed for the mountain jersey this sprint skill "boosted" him at the top 5 times, so he could keep up with your group in the long run. And since the finish is on flat he could use his better flat skill combined with his super sprint to beat you. Old race engine? Every cyclist rides his race individually and then times within a minute of the first cyclist get the same time etc. There is no such thing as following.. How can he with just 45% of his abilities go faster then other cyclists with 85.5% of their abilities? (Last race there was only 18 km km flat, so 4.5 km sprint at the end of the race + 4 mountain sprints which need mountain and sprint skill)
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Post by Il Padrino on Oct 7, 2011 11:50:49 GMT 1
The old RE was changed at one point so that the calculations are based on the race 'part' instead of the cyclists.
Each race consists of multiple parts that contain the terrain type (flat, hill, ...) and length in km.
For each part, the times of all cyclists are calculated, and then they are grouped according to their times at that point.
So it's not so anymore that each cyclist rides the race individually. Instead they ride each part individually, but they are grouped each time as well.
(hope it's clear enough)
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kevinvl
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kevin_vl - Cycling Team Jos (276)
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Post by kevinvl on Oct 7, 2011 14:16:01 GMT 1
The old RE was changed at one point so that the calculations are based on the race 'part' instead of the cyclists. Each race consists of multiple parts that contain the terrain type (flat, hill, ...) and length in km. For each part, the times of all cyclists are calculated, and then they are grouped according to their times at that point. So it's not so anymore that each cyclist rides the race individually. Instead they ride each part individually, but they are grouped each time as well. (hope it's clear enough) So if you got a cyclist that can follow each part of the race barely, but has a decent sprint, that cyclist will always win? (That does explain the small differences in the races so far) Still I find it hard to believe that he could follow the lead group with his low fitness and low effort..
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Post by Mike on Oct 7, 2011 16:47:44 GMT 1
there just isn't enough diference between a 3 flat and a 2 flat (nearly 3) with low fitness and effort
there would be bigger difference between a 15 flat and a 14 flat
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kevinvl
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kevin_vl - Cycling Team Jos (276)
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Post by kevinvl on Oct 7, 2011 17:22:28 GMT 1
there just isn't enough diference between a 3 flat and a 2 flat (nearly 3) with low fitness and effort there would be bigger difference between a 15 flat and a 14 flat if he has 3 on flat and rides on 50%, then it's only 1.5 anymore... so I can't see how he has won...
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