Bot Team Tactics

[lee1950]

In Peloton 1.0 the race engine would add Botteams if fewer that 10 active managers signed up for a race.

The Botteams would race the same 5 riders into exhaustion, and always at 70%.

Botteams very seldom scored any points with this tactic.


How about a simple set of tactical rules for Botteams to make them a bit more competitive (assuming we want that!) and interesting.

1) If the first Botteam examined does not have 5 100% fit riders, try to assign another Botteam with 5 fit riders.
2) If no Botteams with 5 100% fit riders is available in the division, assign one and enter their 5 most fit riders.
3) Set Botteams to always race one rider at 75% instead of 70% (as if they were trying to get into the break)

Not too many rules, but just enough to make Botteams a bit more dangerous, so they are not just entered to boost the race $$$.


Maybe something to think about for Season 2 or 3?


Also, you could make them more dangerous by changing rule 3) to:

3a) Set Botteams to randomly race one rider at 75%, 85% or 95% in each stage....something like:

- 20% random rider (RR) races at 70% (so not all the time)
- 50% RR races at 75% (just enough to get a few points)
- 20% RR races at 85% (bigger chance to score points)
- 10% RR races at 95% (could definitely score points)

[Il Padrino]

I believe that at the moment, bot teams ride at only 20 or 30%. If you want this to change, I could it.

Also, bot teams always participate in the races, no matter the number of teams signed up.

[chakra]

Sept 29, 2011 19:19:34 GMT 1 lee1950 said:

In Peloton 1.0 the race engine would add Botteams if fewer that 10 active managers signed up for a race.

The Botteams would race the same 5 riders into exhaustion, and always at 70%.

Botteams very seldom scored any points with this tactic.


How about a simple set of tactical rules for Botteams to make them a bit more competitive (assuming we want that!) and interesting.

1) If the first Botteam examined does not have 5 100% fit riders, try to assign another Botteam with 5 fit riders.
2) If no Botteams with 5 100% fit riders is available in the division, assign one and enter their 5 most fit riders.
3) Set Botteams to always race one rider at 75% instead of 70% (as if they were trying to get into the break)

Not too many rules, but just enough to make Botteams a bit more dangerous, so they are not just entered to boost the race $$$.


Maybe something to think about for Season 2 or 3?


Also, you could make them more dangerous by changing rule 3) to:

3a) Set Botteams to randomly race one rider at 75%, 85% or 95% in each stage....something like:

- 20% random rider (RR) races at 70% (so not all the time)
- 50% RR races at 75% (just enough to get a few points)
- 20% RR races at 85% (bigger chance to score points)
- 10% RR races at 95% (could definitely score points)

How about:
1. ALL Bot-teams (BT) will participate the races

2. The most fittest RR of the BT participate. (good idea Lee)

3. Participation up to max 60% instead of 20-30% as was in Peloton.1 : so that when we are in Season 10 and the best team manager decides to leave the game, there is still a competition with a good team, but the other teams still have more chance to win of a "non-existing team. I don't like the idea of BT winning the races, is kind of frustration and unfair.

4. Replacing BT by the best managed teams of a lower division at the end of the season though they would normally not promote. Can be calculated by the points a team won at the end of the season.

5. Randomising RR is only ok for a Tour but not for a single race.

That, lee1950, is just my opinion. But I like your idea to let them make the race more excited. First 10-15 places in a race should always be filled up by managed racers.

[lee1950]

Oct 1, 2011 10:57:00 GMT 1 chakra said:

How about:
1. ALL Bot-teams (BT) will participate the races

2. The most fittest RR of the BT participate. (good idea Lee)

3. Participation up to max 60% instead of 20-30% as was in Peloton.1 : so that when we are in Season 10 and the best team manager decides to leave the game, there is still a competition with a good team, but the other teams still have more chance to win of a "non-existing team. I don't like the idea of BT winning the races, is kind of frustration and unfair.

4. Replacing BT by the best managed teams of a lower division at the end of the season though they would normally not promote. Can be calculated by the points a team won at the end of the season.

5. Randomising RR is only ok for a Tour but not for a single race.

That, lee1950, is just my opinion. But I like your idea to let them make the race more excited. First 10-15 places in a race should always be filled up by managed racers.

I like your suggestions a lot, chakra!

I agree it would not be fun to make them too challenging, lol, but it's also not much fun when they are no threat at all as in the past.

Your ideas make more sense - I think some of mine were too aggressive.


Curious if most managers would prefer a little more excitement from BTs or not. I feel it would improve the game if BTs provided some challenge in races.

[chakra]

So am I! Why not a poll on this item.

Hey, your ideas were not so bad at all!
It sometimes need to discuss to get a real consencus.

[JoeLag]

I just stumbled about this thread. Well - 6 weeks old - whatever:

Why is it that only 4 bot cyclists per bot team entered today's race in my division (5:30)? Is this as it should be or is this another bug?

Ah! I just checked: Both bot teams have 12 cyclists but one injured one. So this seems to be the cause. Well - wouldn't hurt to let the script indeed select at least 5 cylcists and do some fitness management

And in the issue discussed: Well - at the level where the bot teams perform now it's indeed only more $$$ for the active managers. 20 or 30%? I'd go for 80% - or - as someone above stated: At least back to 60% as it obviously has been in V1.

[lee1950]

Zombie thread returns from the dead....

IP has a lot going on with the new RE, so maybe some of these ideas should wait. I'd like to see Bot cyclists at 60% though, and that sounded like an easy change. I'll put a poll up.