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Jun 29, 2009 12:48:52 GMT 1
Post by ElGringo on Jun 29, 2009 12:48:52 GMT 1
Hello i didnt understand the todays stage of the tour de frace
Esch-sur-Alzette > Valkenburg
How can a rider with 4 flat/14 montain/3 hill win a rider with 11 flat/8 montain/2 hill
Can someone explain that to me?
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Ironic
Jun 29, 2009 13:19:15 GMT 1
Post by Schizm on Jun 29, 2009 13:19:15 GMT 1
Hello i didnt understand the todays stage of the tour de frace Esch-sur-Alzette > Valkenburg How can a rider with 4 flat/14 montain/3 hill win a rider with 11 flat/8 montain/2 hill Can someone explain that to me? clearly flat is today's most important skill, and so many others things have their influence to (plus there is no notion of a time difference).
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Jun 29, 2009 13:39:45 GMT 1
Post by ElGringo on Jun 29, 2009 13:39:45 GMT 1
The result is this
1. Capraru 0 0 5:34:15 FRONTEIRA 2. Vandendael 0 0 +2:42 FRONTEIRA 3. Flamcourt 0 0 +2:42 S. C. Ricolândia 4. Ryelandt 0 0 +3:47 S. C. Ricolândia 5. Couckhuyt 0 0 +3:47 Dragões 6. Desrumaux 1 0 +3:47 Rodinhas de Apoio 7. f*gel 0 0 +3:47 Dragões 8. Thibault 0 0 +3:47 Melres United 9. Ahmed 0 0 +3:47 Anathema 10. Hanchir 0 0 +3:47 S. C. Ricolândia
The riders in red are the montain riders with 14 montain, and 3/4 flat, and with 3/4 hill
The green riders are the riders with 11 flat and 7/8 montain, and with 2/3 hill
The other riders between i dont know is skills
It seems a result for the new engine,lol
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Jun 29, 2009 14:05:30 GMT 1
Post by Schizm on Jun 29, 2009 14:05:30 GMT 1
The result is this 1. Capraru 0 0 5:34:15 FRONTEIRA 2. Vandendael 0 0 +2:42 FRONTEIRA3. Flamcourt 0 0 +2:42 S. C. Ricolândia 4. Ryelandt 0 0 +3:47 S. C. Ricolândia 5. Couckhuyt 0 0 +3:47 Dragões 6. Desrumaux 1 0 +3:47 Rodinhas de Apoio 7. f*gel 0 0 +3:47 Dragões 8. Thibault 0 0 +3:47 Melres United 9. Ahmed 0 0 +3:47 Anathema10. Hanchir 0 0 +3:47 S. C. RicolândiaThe riders in red are the montain riders with 14 montain, and 3/4 flat, and with 3/4 hill The green riders are the riders with 11 flat and 7/8 montain, and with 2/3 hill The other riders between i dont know is skills It seems a result for the new engine,lol they are practically all in the same time, so differences can be probably explained with differnces in the sprint skill and CA.
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Jun 29, 2009 15:11:16 GMT 1
Post by joaantneves on Jun 29, 2009 15:11:16 GMT 1
The result is this 1. Capraru 0 0 5:34:15 FRONTEIRA 2. Vandendael 0 0 +2:42 FRONTEIRA3. Flamcourt 0 0 +2:42 S. C. Ricolândia 4. Ryelandt 0 0 +3:47 S. C. Ricolândia 5. Couckhuyt 0 0 +3:47 Dragões 6. Desrumaux 1 0 +3:47 Rodinhas de Apoio 7. f*gel 0 0 +3:47 Dragões 8. Thibault 0 0 +3:47 Melres United 9. Ahmed 0 0 +3:47 Anathema10. Hanchir 0 0 +3:47 S. C. RicolândiaThe riders in red are the montain riders with 14 montain, and 3/4 flat, and with 3/4 hill The green riders are the riders with 11 flat and 7/8 montain, and with 2/3 hill The other riders between i dont know is skills It seems a result for the new engine,lol they are practically all in the same time, so differences can be probably explained with differnces in the sprint skill and CA. Vandendael have 3 in sprint and high CA, perhaps is the same with Hanchir because have the best TV from his Team. p.s. I'm delighted with Vandendael ;D
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Jun 29, 2009 18:14:04 GMT 1
Post by ElGringo on Jun 29, 2009 18:14:04 GMT 1
My rider already got skill 3 at sprint, and is CA i dont know because he comes to the team this year. But the question is the stage as Total distance: 216km Flat:115 km Hill:31 km Mountain:37 km Downhill:33 km and its impossible to a rider with 3/4 flat arrive in the front of other with 11 when the maiority of the stage its flat. I can give another example, www.peloton-game.net/results.aspx?id=251115&division_id=503this is the 2 stage of the Giro and the stage as Total distance: 227km Flat:124 km Hill:36 km Mountain: 33 km Downhill: 34km and the stage is very similar to this one. the results of the two riders Nr Cyclist Fl Fa Time Team 1. Capraru 0 0 5:28:42 FRONTEIRA 2. Sepulchre 0 0 +0 FRONTEIRA 3. Clerix 0 0 +0 FRONTEIRA 4. Thibault 0 0 +1:40 Melres United5. Haelewyn 0 0 +1:40 S. C. Ricolândia 6. Ryelandt 0 0 +2:45 S. C. Ricolândia 7. Stroobants 0 0 +2:45 Melres United 8. Dortona 0 0 +2:45 Rabobank-Melres 9. Aubé 0 0 +2:45 Rabobank-Melres 10. Molina 0 0 +2:45 PCA 11. Teeuwen 1 0 +3:46 Panteras Negras 12. Verschooten 0 0 +3:46 Dragões 13. Couckhuyt 0 0 +3:46 Dragões 14. Verscheure 0 0 +3:46 PCA 15. Nielssdatter 0 0 +3:46 PCA 16. f*gel 0 0 +3:46 Dragões 17. Malavasi 0 0 +4:59 PCA 18. Havard 0 0 +4:59 Sagres BENFICA 19. Bougenies 0 0 +4:59 Canal Discovery 20. Vandendael 0 0 +4:59 FRONTEIRAand now? the game dont have the same criterion on similar races? Diference in CA and Sprint, i dont think so.
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Jun 29, 2009 20:40:51 GMT 1
Post by Schizm on Jun 29, 2009 20:40:51 GMT 1
ah the distance are comparable but one race ends on a mountain and the other on flat. I know that made a difference but didn't expect it be that big.
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Jun 29, 2009 22:01:16 GMT 1
Post by rarau on Jun 29, 2009 22:01:16 GMT 1
But the question is the stage as Total distance: 216km Flat:115 km Hill:31 km Mountain:37 km Downhill:33 km
and its impossible to a rider with 3/4 flat arrive in the front of other with 11 when the maiority of the stage its flat.
--------------------------------------------------------- real is 115 flat, 45 hill and 74 mountain so i dont see where the majority is flat
115+45+74+33=160+107=267km
115 flat and 119 hill+mountain.
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Jun 29, 2009 23:47:14 GMT 1
Post by ElGringo on Jun 29, 2009 23:47:14 GMT 1
real is 115 flat, 45 hill and 74 mountain so i dont see where the majority is flat 115+45+74+33=160+107=267km 115 flat and 119 hill+mountain. Are we see the same stage? www.peloton-game.net/racedetails.aspx?id=27&division_id=503I see total 216 km flat - 115 km - 53.24% Montain - 37 km - 17.30% And the 2 riders have the same hill and sprint so that dont need to compare. Its impossible that a mono skill rider in montain finish first in this stage to one that is 2 skills with 11 flat and 8 montain.
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Jun 29, 2009 23:55:29 GMT 1
Post by ElGringo on Jun 29, 2009 23:55:29 GMT 1
real is 115 flat, 45 hill and 74 mountain so i dont see where the majority is flat 115+45+74+33=160+107=267km 115 flat and 119 hill+mountain. Another thing, if its true that you double the km of montain to see the true number of km of a stage , there is a non sense question, why we always see a big diference of time between riders in the flat stages and the oposite on the montain stages?
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Jun 30, 2009 6:50:04 GMT 1
Post by Schizm on Jun 30, 2009 6:50:04 GMT 1
kms for hill are x 1,5 and for mountain x 2 , plus at the end 10% of the total distance is ridden for sprint on the terrain of the finishing stroke+sprint (in this case mountain+sprint) !
flat + hill + (mountain + sprint) + downhill 115 + (31*1.5) + ((37*2) + 21,6) + 33 = 280,1 km total of which 115 flat and 95,6 mountain
in your second example : (flat + sprint) + hill + mountain + downhill (124 + 22,7) + (36*1,5) + (33*2) + 34 = 300,7 km of which 146,7 flat and only 66 km mountain
A significant difference, in your first race there is 20% more flat then mountain in the second race flat is the double of mountain ! So results of both stages can not be comparable.
My theory, for the bigger differences in flat races then in mountain races, is that flat often comes in longer strokes and that fewer cyclists are being trained flat.
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Jun 30, 2009 12:31:05 GMT 1
Post by ElGringo on Jun 30, 2009 12:31:05 GMT 1
kms for hill are x 1,5 and for mountain x 2 , plus at the end 10% of the total distance is ridden for sprint on the terrain of the finishing stroke+sprint (in this case mountain+sprint) ! flat + hill + (mountain + sprint) + downhill 115 + (31*1.5) + ((37*2) + 21,6) + 33 = 280,1 km total of which 115 flat and 95,6 mountain in your second example : (flat + sprint) + hill + mountain + downhill (124 + 22,7) + (36*1,5) + (33*2) + 34 = 300,7 km of which 146,7 flat and only 66 km mountain A significant difference, in your first race there is 20% more flat then mountain in the second race flat is the double of mountain ! So results of both stages can not be comparable. My theory, for the bigger differences in flat races then in mountain races, is that flat often comes in longer strokes and that fewer cyclists are being trained flat. Now I understand, thanks For exemple I have a stage with : -80 km flat -40 km hill -35 km montain -35 km downhill Total 190 Km If the finish is flat i will have [80 km+ 19 km]flat + 60 km hill + 70 km montain + 35 km downhill If the finish is hill I will have 80 km flat + [60 km + 19km] hill + 70 km montain + 35 km downhill If the finish is montain i will have 80 km flat + 60 km hill + [70 km+19km] montain + 35 km downhill If the finish is downhill i will have 80 km flat + 60 km hill + 70 km montain + [35 km+ 19 km] downhill If is anything wrong please correct. Thanks
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Jun 30, 2009 12:43:42 GMT 1
Post by Schizm on Jun 30, 2009 12:43:42 GMT 1
kms for hill are x 1,5 and for mountain x 2 , plus at the end 10% of the total distance is ridden for sprint on the terrain of the finishing stroke+sprint (in this case mountain+sprint) ! flat + hill + (mountain + sprint) + downhill 115 + (31*1.5) + ((37*2) + 21,6) + 33 = 280,1 km total of which 115 flat and 95,6 mountain in your second example : (flat + sprint) + hill + mountain + downhill (124 + 22,7) + (36*1,5) + (33*2) + 34 = 300,7 km of which 146,7 flat and only 66 km mountain A significant difference, in your first race there is 20% more flat then mountain in the second race flat is the double of mountain ! So results of both stages can not be comparable. My theory, for the bigger differences in flat races then in mountain races, is that flat often comes in longer strokes and that fewer cyclists are being trained flat. Now I understand, thanks For exemple I have a stage with : -80 km flat -40 km hill -35 km montain -35 km downhill Total 190 Km If the finish is flat i will have [80 km+ 19 km]flat + 60 km hill + 70 km montain + 35 km downhill If the finish is hill I will have 80 km flat + [60 km + 19km] hill + 70 km montain + 35 km downhill If the finish is montain i will have 80 km flat + 60 km hill + [70 km+19km] montain + 35 km downhill If the finish is downhill i will have 80 km flat + 60 km hill + 70 km montain + [35 km+ 19 km] downhill If is anything wrong please correct. Thanks nothing wrong, spot on ! Only keep in mind that the 19 km is always a combination with sprint skill
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Jun 30, 2009 12:54:11 GMT 1
Post by ElGringo on Jun 30, 2009 12:54:11 GMT 1
but i put [number of km of the skill is in the finish + 10% stage for sprint]
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Jun 30, 2009 13:15:55 GMT 1
Post by Schizm on Jun 30, 2009 13:15:55 GMT 1
the km are right only if you try to simulate : the 10% is a combination of 2 skills : sprint + whatever skill the race ends on.
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