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Post by JoeLag on Nov 22, 2011 9:49:48 GMT 1
To earn for myself the title of the Most Annoying Newbie I have to start with some ranting. I'm not sure if it would fit better into the Suggestion forum or perhaps even into the Newbie forum. I write from my own perspective but I'm quite sure that this is a common annoyance for newbies and hence worth a general discussion. Maybe this interesting game is losing managers due to this: I joined on 2011-11-16. Eager to explore Peloton I found quite quickly the calendar and found out that the Change button would be my way to set tactics and participate in my first race. Guess how dissappointed I have been that I couldn't join! The Volta a Catalunya as well as the Giro d'Italia were already proceeding with me having missed the first stages and so being forbidden to enter the later stages. From my own perspective: This very much sucks!  Don't you think it would be much more encouraging for newbies to be allowed to join anyhow? Maybe this would somewhat be against realism ... but I'd rather have joined late with the time of the worst cyclist so far and 0 points in every classment than sitting idle for nearly a week. What do you think what a newbie thinks who is joining the game at 2011-12-02 13:00? He would be condemned to do nothing until 2011-12-14 that's nearly 2 weeks!! My suggestion would be to allow newbies to join: 1) race time for each cyclist is taken from the last cyclist in the classment so far 2) 0 points in every classment 3) fitness should be adjusted for each cyclist joining late: 3a) -5 for each stage of the tour so far 3b) +20 (surely capped at 100) for each sunday update after the first stage |
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Post by kevinvl on Nov 22, 2011 10:58:10 GMT 1
I like the idea ;-)
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Post by peulvrucht on Nov 22, 2011 11:30:32 GMT 1
i schouldn't take the last time of the botplayers, but the lasttime of the real players.
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Post by Schizm on Nov 22, 2011 12:58:42 GMT 1
I always considered this as one of the flaws of this game, so you got my support for this idea.
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Post by NikeBoy on Nov 22, 2011 13:18:44 GMT 1
Very good point and I do support it as well.
But as you listed, the hardest part is to make sure that everything is taking care of (effort, fitness, timestandings)
It is difficult but it does not seem impossible !
IP to decide, I am pro !
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Post by Il Padrino on Nov 22, 2011 13:31:38 GMT 1
I have 2 conditions for this:
- It should only be for the 3 big tours, and only for the teams whose first log in is during the weeks when there are no other races except for these tours.
- The participation will be created automatically, as part of the team-creation process when the player logs in for the first time.
So the player won't be able to select the cyclists, this will be automatically. Of course, the system can be made somewhat intelligent so that the cyclist with the highest leadership is selected leader, etc.
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Post by Mardandoo on Nov 22, 2011 13:37:38 GMT 1
Why can't the manager decide which cyclists to select?! That won't harm right?! I suppose the newbie wants to select the best riders for the next tour to start, because he knows he can't win anything in the big tour anymore (probably). Other might think in a different way and now notice their riders aren't at 100% fitness because the system automatically selects the rider he doesn't want to select...
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Post by Schizm on Nov 22, 2011 13:45:17 GMT 1
I think I understand. He wants it to be a automatic process to prevent abuse and that seems the only simple solution for that.
Maybe a dialog could appear after the registration process saying
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The (name of big tour) is currently being riden. Would you like to enter it by letting the assistant automatically select 5 suitable cyclists for it, or do you want to skip this and wait ? [Enter] [Skip]
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Post by JoeLag on Nov 22, 2011 14:50:52 GMT 1
I wouldn't have thought that changing this would be so complicated. But IP's post suggests it is somewhat more difficult than I assumed. Indeed the newbie may feel frustrated again if he decided to enter the tour and recognises some days later that entering the big tour gave him a big drawback for the races to come. At the moment - and since this experience is really quite fresh for me - I tend to believe that I rather would have participated the Giro with 5 cyclists assigned by some script than idling for 10 days or more. (In my case it wasn't that bad because I only missed 3 stages at all ... but if I'd miss 10 or more stages due to an inappropriate joining date I'd surely feel frustrated) |
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Post by rarau on Nov 22, 2011 19:40:21 GMT 1
the word ´patience´ exist on this topic?
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Post by newborn on Nov 22, 2011 19:41:33 GMT 1
i like the idea of the pop-up that Schizm suggested
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Post by Il Padrino on Nov 22, 2011 19:56:55 GMT 1
Well, players are not allowed to choose their cyclists for a tour that has already begun. Creating exceptions will create a mess of the interface, not to mention confusion with these new players.
They won't understand why they were allowed to participate in the middle of one tour, and not in another.
And like Schizm said, it prevents abuse. Veteran players will remember that it took quite a while before all problems related to tours and cyclist participations were solved, and creating such exceptions might introduce new problems in this area which I want to avoid at all costs.
And also, the automatic race subscription gives the new players a guaranteed income for the otherwise 'lost' week. A bit like the 1-year sponsorship contracts for new players now.
Not all new players will immediately look at the calendar and submit their teams. Some might do this the next day, but then they'd already lost a participation! When the tactics are automatically created, they will start earning money the moment their team is created.
And of course, the teams for whom such an automatic participation was created will have a message explaining why this happened.
Schizm's idea of the popup after the first login could be feasable, to give the player at least the choice to participate or not.
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Post by lee1950 on Nov 22, 2011 20:19:34 GMT 1
I see one additional benefit to IP's solution....new players who log in with riders already in a race may get more involved in Peloton faster. You would want to log in again tomorrow to see how your cyclists did. The game would need to send them a message so they know they were entered in a race.....or the option script Schizm suggested. It would be very  to boost newbie retention! |
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Post by JoeLag on Nov 22, 2011 20:37:48 GMT 1
I see one additional benefit to IP's solution....new players who log in with riders already in a race may get more involved in Peloton faster. You would want to log in again tomorrow to see how your cyclists did.The game would need to send them a message so they know they were entered in a race.....or the option script Schizm suggested. It would be very to boost newbie retention! Exactly the boldened part was the reason that I brought this up. It's about motivation. The idea with the message is a good one! IP could implement a new feature giving an assistant message for every finished race. After some thinking about it I would discard the idea with the pop-up at the very start (first login). It seems to me that I wouldn't have been able to evaluate the consequences of this decision properly anyway when I logged in the first time - less than a week ago. Edit: Boldening parts of quotes obviously doesn't work. I was referring to this sentence: You would want to log in again tomorrow to see how your cyclists did. |
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Post by Il Padrino on Nov 23, 2011 11:30:49 GMT 1
Also true!
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to boost newbie retention!